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Post by cbjfan61 on Oct 23, 2011 14:17:40 GMT -5
Sorry for not getting this up in time.
Will have my write up on this later this week still need to get over the ending and how much I thought it was pointless and predictable with killing Ruth.
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Post by fidget on Oct 23, 2011 19:15:39 GMT -5
I enjoyed the episode but hated that they killed Ruth, poor Harry
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Post by cbjfan61 on Oct 24, 2011 8:20:41 GMT -5
OK Still haven't calmed down. Just not crying anymore. Well I'll first start off by saying that Nicola and Peter's performance was beyond Incredible!!! If their acting wasn't there then the episode would have fallen flat hands down.
What I did like was the whole Elena being the baddie in the end. Then again I was hoping for that all along because it would have been an ultimate revenge on Harry plus the whole Sasha not being his son. The great twist was Ilya killing Elena for sure while poor Sasha had to watch.
The kick in the teeth was killing off Ruth. That was pointless not needed at all plus predictable. Seriously the shock would have let her live we fans know to expect the death so why not surprise us without one. We don't need fluffy when it comes to Harry and Ruth just something tiny to say 'yes they will be together'. It was such a slap in the face to Peter and Nicola for all their hard work in creating something wonderful out of nothing. Then to slap the faces of the fans for being loyal. Yes Ruth says maybe they were never meant to have that happy ending. I'm sorry it is only said because the producers never wanted them to be. Yet we can have the other officers have relationships or a shag bunny every series. Sorry but just flat out disrespectful to the actors and fans.
Here is my Alternative Ending: Erin shoots Sasha just before he stabs Ruth. Harry and Ruth embrace with a quick kiss FADE. Harry and Ruth looking at the cottage yet leaving because this is not the life for them. FADE Harry and Ruth go visit the list of names of those who are gone. FADE GRID: Harry sits in office Ruth picks up files from desk and walks in 'Harry here is the latest report you asked for' they look at each other then NEGATIVE END SHOW.
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Post by fragglebo on Oct 24, 2011 14:33:55 GMT -5
I would have changed the ending slightly. I'd still have Sasha stab Ruth and the scenes with Harry as she's laying on the floor gasping for breath etc. Harry would still ask her about the house and he would still tell her that they were both going to live there. Then he'll kiss her lips as she loses consciousness and we all assume this is going to end badly. Then, we hear the helicopter arrive and paramedics bustle around Ruth. Cut to a scene which might make us wonder if Ruth died or not and then follow up with Harry arriving at the house in Suffolk. He walks through the door and Ruth is there waiting for him. They embrace/kiss/smile at each other. Go to negative.
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Post by xruthx on Oct 25, 2011 17:22:06 GMT -5
I'm with cbjfan44. Ruth's death was trite and predictable and ultimately pointless... much like the apparent theme of this nihilistic series... I am so mad right now and don't know if I could ever watch s10 again.
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Post by cbjfan61 on Oct 27, 2011 8:08:35 GMT -5
Had to share Too Spooked's thoughts from the Spooks Information Central Forum. I agree 100% with what she said.
I've really enjoyed reading people's varying opinions in this thread. I'll continue to read but I suspect this may be (more or less wink) my parting shot on this topic, call it a catharsis if you like. Now I've had time to calm down a bit I wanted to give my more measured, less hysterical smile, take on the subject of I think why some people (myself included, obviously) are angry with Kudos, I'm sure I echo a couple of things other people have raised so all credit to them.
We were promised "a fitting end to a much-loved show".
We got an obvious series plot thread. Elena's a double agent - didn't see that coming, right?
We were promised that "this series focuses on Harry's past, bringing his tumultuous relationship with Ruth to a head"
We got yet more obstacles then an obvious death of a much-loved character - didn't see that coming, right?
Worse still it was a recycled death, no originality. Here's a précis of what happened to Fiona at the end of 4.7, straight off the BBC's old Spooks site, edited to remove references to place etc.
Farook comes in. She stabs him with a shard of glass. Adam arrives. Fiona runs towards him. Farook shoots Fiona. She falls to the ground, and Adam shoots Farook. Adam begs Fiona to hold on, and calls for an ambulance. It's too late. Fiona dies in his arms.
Perhaps the same kind of summary of what happened to Ruth at the end of 10.6 might read... Sasha comes closer. He stabs her with a shard of glass. Harry moves towards her. She falls to the ground, and Dimitri shoots Sasha. Harry begs Ruth to hold on and they call for a helicopter. It's too late. Ruth dies in his arms.
We got a lacklustre script - listen to it and imagine those words made manifest by less competent actors. As ever, thank goodness for PF and NW who were their usual completely brilliant selves and worked wonders with what they had.
We got no end at all. Business as usual. It could have been any episode where a character died. It's impact relied entirely on the emotional manipulation of the audience, predicated upon the fact this was done to beloved characters whose wonderful development owes much to the early series and everything else to the performances. There were no fresh ideas or innovative plotting.
It doesn't matter if you're a actor, director, writer, writer/producer or production company; without an audience there is no point to what you do. Yes, individually audience members are small and powerless, but collectively they dictate your fate. You and the audience exist in balance. Of course producers shouldn't just pander to every whim of parts of that audience but at the same time you owe them more than arrogant disregard and an 'I know best' attitude. Maybe giving them some semblance of something a section of your audience wanted, just once, wouldn't be so bad.
I was not shocked by Ruth's death because, even in my totally unspoilered state, I expected it. I expected it because it's formulaic. Would it really have ruined many non H/R or regular audience member's enjoyment if, uniquely and for the first time ever on Spooks (I don't count Tom because he just disappeared or Ros because Adam planned it), the supposed death was followed by a 'still alive' reveal? Thus allowing for a real ending to occur instead of the non-ending we got. It didn't have to be an ending of hearts, flowers and swelling music - just something with some shred of hope would have done.
TV drama in this mould is purely escapist entertainment. Personally, I can't see why would anyone would want their weekly hour's refuge from the real world to end in such maudlin and depressing way as to make the ironing seem a more attractive and less harrowing proposition.
I contend that by giving us predictable, recycled plotlines they did more than fail to do justice to Ruth and Harry. They failed to do justice to Spooks itself.
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Post by dalia on Nov 3, 2011 8:06:13 GMT -5
The last shared post is a perfect summary of my own feelings, couldn´t say it better. I wish the person(s) responsible for deciding to end it the way they did could read it. Even if I cut my copy of 10.6 in 47 minutes and don´t plan to watch their ending anymore, it´s still probably my biggest TV-show-related disappointment. Would like to know what motivated them to choose one of the worst possibles scenarios. Were they really affraid people who weren´t into HR story or the coincidental audience would be so disappointed if there two would preserve some hope? I don´t think that would have happened, if the ending would be open or slightly hopeful. I don´t believe someone would complain even if they would have retired and ended in Suffolk. It wouldn´t be so unrealistic as well, or really every second person (even office staff) working for secret services dies in duty??
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Post by cbjfan61 on Nov 3, 2011 11:57:58 GMT -5
Something that made me laugh when thinking about Sasha not being Harry's son. HARRY in Darth Vada voice to Sasha: "I am your father! Son come with me join me and together we can kill baddies all day long" Elena in Borg Queen like way while stroking the wall: "Sorry you are not the father, now come join me and be part of the collective" Sasha: "WTF is going on? " Looks at Ruth "Can you be my mummy I have a better chance at life then with these nutters" HA HA HA if only!!!
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Post by cbjfan61 on May 12, 2012 10:21:04 GMT -5
Can I just say months later I still can't bring myself to watch s10 again and for that matter 10.6. I'm still bitter and still pissed off with the ending. Still pisses me off that Dimitri and Erin did ZERO CPR or Rescue Breaths or anything besides that dumb adrenaline rush. Can the fans put together the money and shoot that alternate ending where Ruth lives? Seriously! I'll go back to denial land with the rest of the fans and that we had a better ending and Ruth lived.
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Post by xruthx on Jul 12, 2012 17:34:23 GMT -5
You and me both CBJfan. I haven't bought s10. I never will. I doubt I will ever seriously watch anything beyond s4 of Spooks again (well s7 because it is awesome). Which is a real shame. Because some of Nicola's best work was in s8, 9 and 10. But there's no point in my watching it if I just get mad.
I am a writer and I like good writing, and good stories. Spooks was filled with bad writing towards the end. I tried to hold out for Lucas and Ruth, and later just Ruth, but ultimately there was no point. I would have been better off jumping ship with other disillusioned fans in the s8 days when they first started giving Nicola nothing new to work with.
Now I'm with my Mum. Big Town All Stars is Nicola's best work. Because I can no longer take Spooks seriously :/
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Post by ruby79 on Jul 20, 2012 13:38:50 GMT -5
I thought I was the only one not being able to let this go!! I will never watch 10.6 again, I can promise you that. Maybe in a couple of years I can watch the previous episodes of S10. I still get so very annoyed when thinking about how the writers handled the whole Ruth/Harry relationship. It was convenient for the writers to use their romance when they wanted to hurt the characters more, if you understand what I mean. They give them a few romantic seconds only to crush their (and our) hearts after! For me, they've ruined the whole show, I wish I could be a better person than that, I just can't think of Spooks anymore without a thorn in my heart. Hopefully it will pass, but still hasn't after almost a year! And I'm snorting bitterly at the thought of a Spooks movie. Bah! Not without Ruth!
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